Latest episode of ASDAN's podcast out now: with Jo Malone, Leila Walker and Shonogh Pilgrim

ASDAN’s latest Cross-sector Lab podcast brings together three leading voices in education to explore a powerful question: what does it mean to truly educate the whole person?

In this thoughtful and wide-ranging conversation, education consultant Jo Malone, senior lecturer Leila Walker, and Shonogh Pilgrim, CEO of Whole Education, reflect on the tensions, opportunities and hopes shaping education today. Together they examine whether current systems genuinely support learners to thrive – not just academically, but as confident, capable human beings.

Throughout the discussion, the speakers challenge the dominant focus on narrow academic outcomes. While policy language increasingly references wellbeing, belonging and purpose, the panel questions whether these ideas are truly embedded in practice.

The conversation also explores the systemic tensions within education and how elements such as inclusion, assessment and accountability frequently pull against each other, creating pressures for schools and learners alike.

A recurring theme is the importance of agency and relationships. The speakers emphasise that empowering young people by listening to their voices and giving them meaningful roles in shaping their learning, can transform educational experiences. When students are treated as active participants rather than passive recipients, the impact can be profound.

Despite the challenges, the conversation ends on a hopeful note, with a shared belief that education holds enormous potential to shape a more thoughtful, resilient and compassionate society.

To hear insights from three passionate leaders working to re-imagine education for the next generation, listen to the full episode on Spotify or watch the video on YouTube.